Kurt Cobain’s Ex-Girlfriend: ‘Courtney Love Threatened To Cut Off My Head & Burn Down My House’

Kurt Cobain’s ex-girlfriend Mary Lou Lord made headlines across the internet last week for her comments on Courtney Love, and she was at it again over the weekend with the following Facebook post:

I should have sued the bitch a long time ago.
But that’s not something that ever would have fixed anything. Maybe
temporarily, but it wasn’t and never will be a thing money can heal.

I never came up to her and said a thing.
She broke my teeth, she cracked my skull and she caused
me years of hell. The physical pain went away, but her words, and
her lies and the impact it left never went away. I honestly feel that
people should know about this.
Here in this photo/interview, she admits it. It was taken off of you tube, but
in this interview, she tells of the night she beat me, chased me, and so forth.

I did watch soaked in bleach, and regardless
of my stance on his death, which, I have no opinion on, it re-ignited an anger
in me that I never thought would be so profound. Anger is bad. I hate it.
But if you think I am saying all this now for any potential gain in anything, I am not.
I could have sued her. I didn’t. I tried to take the high road and move on.
I just tried to make the best music I could, and not let this effect me.
But she carried on attacking me for years, and I was in constant fear. Insane fear.
She threatened me, she also threatened my elderly parents who I was living
with through the many years of my early career. She threatened to burn our house down, and threatened to kill me with a gun, and cut off my head.
I’m not sorry to vent this publicly. That Soaked In Bleach movie just rattled
me so much. And I think people should know. She might be doing better now, but I still feel inside her, she is a rotten person . Money helps, clearly. (To a sociopath like her), and now, She has tons of it. Through law suits that HIS MONEY paid for!!! and the damage that SHE brought upon herself! So, why “wouldn’t” she be doing “better now”?
The movie just triggered so many emotions. How sad and pointless.
His death itself, etc. Just so fucking sad. It also triggered feelings about how
sad Elliott’s passing was as well. If you think this was easy for me, and others who went through this at that time, you’re wrong. I don’t think I’m entirely batshit crazy for talking about this either. I know I will let it go, and I think this is part of the process. It’s gross in a way to talk publicly about it all (i know that), but you, as fans and music lovers, and friends, are part of the fabric that this entire world of the music we make, and love, is woven from. It’s our reality, and our emotions regarding it, should never be denied.

  • Felonious Punk

    I bet these Cobain ex-girlfriend articles are doing a ton of traffic for the site. I always look forward to Cobain articles because all the conspiracy nutjobs start coming out in droves and its fun to make complete fools out of them. There isn’t one aspect of that bogus “Kurt was murdered” bullshit that can’t be explained and denounced with actual science or facts.

    Can the conspiracy crew offer up ANY substantiating proof that Kurt was murdered? 22 years and we’re still waiting. I’ve seen home movies that were better than Soaked in Bleach. Even ones that weren’t porn.

    • TonyClifton

      I could never figure out the handwriting samples of Cobain that were in Love’s possession or the last half of that “suicide” note. Please do explain those for me.

      • Gordon Bennett

        I wouldn’t bother expecting Felonious Punk to offer any insight into the subject matter. This person wouldn’t be able to distinguish the woods from the trees when it comes to the death, or should I say murder, of Kurt Cobain. You’re just wasting your time on someone who has already made up their mind without actually understanding the facts or the relevance of the evidence. You will find it typical of courtney fan boys/girls.

        • TonyClifton

          Thanks for the heads up.

          • Felonious Punk

            Facts and proof have been provided, as per your request. All easily referenced. Your turn to put up or shut up..

        • Jimmy Intense

          Circumstantial evidence does not = factual evidence. Your argument is typical of any Cobain conspirator. Please elaborate on the so-called facts and enlighten all of us. Perhaps your opinion can convince some of us we have been wrong.

          • Felonious Punk

            I doubt they will. Hell, I’d be surprised if they even reply at all, based on what I just provided in response to Clifton’s inquiries.

            All these Cobain conspiracy crackheads are beginning to sound the same. It’s the same “Tom Grant said…” bullshit each and every time, with no proof to support any claim they’re making. Every time they’re asked to provide proof to their circumstantial evidence, they either reply with a bunch of question-dodging subterfuge or just disappear altogether.

            You have to be really stupid to actually believe that Kurt was murdered, and unfortunately, it seems like more than a few people out there in cuckoo land are really stupid.

          • Gordon Bennett

            I think you may misunderstand the importance of circumstantial evidence Jimmy. People are convicted of crimes everyday due to overwhelming circumstantial evidence as opposed to direct evidence such as a witness to a crime. Forensic evidence, including fingerprints, are circumstantial evidence. Very rarely do convictions rely on direct evidence in itself. The majority of crimes do not involve any direct eye witnesses so have to rely on a collaboration of circumstantial evidence. Furthermore, eye witness testimony in itself has been shown to be unreliable as people can misinterpret or forget what they have seen over time. Certainly when compared to overwhelming circumstantial evidence, such as forensics, most prosecuting attorneys will seek to build a case on strong circumstantial evidence rather than rely on direct evidence. If you wish to learn the facts and circumstantial evidence regarding the death of Kurt cobain, which by the way supports homicide and not suicide, then do some serious research rather than rely on the opinions of myself or misguided individuals like Felonious Punk.

        • Felonious Punk

          Funny how I’m the one who’s ALWAYS providing facts and no-shit evidence to support the truth that Cobain wasn’t murdered, while you creeps consistently slum to your circumstantial bullshit that Tom Grant cooked up, and yet you claim I’m the one with the misunderstanding here.

          If you have so many answers to support your murder theory, how about you answer a few questions on the matter for me to support your conspiracy theory?

          How about it, “Gordon Bennett”? Are you game enough? Or are you just going to high-tail it like the rest of your cronies until the next Cobain article pops up?

          • TonyClifton

            You asked a question, “Can the conspiracy crew offer up ANY substantiating proof that Kurt was murdered?” While I’m open to valid evidence replied with two questions, and you won’t give me the time of day? I guess Gordon was correct, and you’ve never actually taken the time to research the subject.

          • Felonious Punk

            Bullshit. It is MORE than obvious I know my shit on this subject. Hence why I answered both of your questions from end to end. You can’t prove the handwriting sheet crap because Rosemary Carroll herself denies having given anything of the sort to Tom Grant. There’s one answer explained: it’s unprovable when the very person who allegedly provided it is denying it.

            And the last four lines of the note Kurt (most likely) wrote after he took a shitload of heroin and was in his final moments? PROVED why your lack of clarity on the matter doesn’t need to be. I laid it out for you in layman’s terms a fucking kangaroo could comprehend. Can’t get much more clear than I got with it.

            You’re not fooling ANYONE here, pal. You can dodge and weave around my questions with baseless retorts of “you’ve never researched the subject”, but clearly I have. And now you’re backpeddling while offering up ZERO evidence to viably support your conspiracy bullshit.

            I win. You lose. Next!

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            Three times the lethal dose of heroin. Kurt could not pick up a pen Never mind a gun. This is in fact a FACT. Go to: http://www.cobainevidence.com

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            Agree

          • Gordon Bennett

            Firstly, your claim that Rosemary Carroll has ‘’denied’’ ever speaking to Tom Grant is a lie. Secondly, you falsely claim ‘’you have a piece of “evidence” ALLEGEDLY given to Tom Grant by a person who denies ever giving him anything of the kind’’. Rosemary carroll has never spoken publically about Tom Grant’s recordings or their meetings together so she hasn’t ‘’denied’’ anything on record. Just because you say so, in capitals, doesn’t make it true. Clearly you confuse making false claims and stating uninformed opinions with ‘’facts’’ and ‘’proof’’. Why would I waste my time and effort debating this subject with an individual like yourself which has demonstrated an aggressive and overly defensive manner with anyone that disagrees with you? It is clear from your posts, not just on this thread but on previous threads concerning the same subject matter, that you are not interested in representing the facts with any degree of truth or honesty. Has it ever occurred to you that people stop responding to your comments not because you are right (and you have clearly demonstrated that you aren’t no matter how much you protest otherwise) but because they recognise you are a waste of time when it comes to wanting to establish the truth of how Kurt really died?

          • Felonious Punk

            You’re not going to continue because you have no answers to any question I posit that disputes your bogus Kurt Was Murdered theory. It’s just more of the same subterfuge we always see around here.

            Not to mention the hypocrisy: you freaks take Tom Grant’s word as gospel even though that fat motherfucker can’t prove anything and couldn’t find a body above the garage he parked in front of multiple times, but the moment somebody calls this into question, you dodge answering with verbose wordplay and accusations with zero merit.

            If you bothered to watch that abomination known as Soaked In Bleach, it says right at the end that Rosemary Carroll denied advising Tom Grant that Kurt was murdered. I guess that still makes me a liar in your eyes though, right? Lolz for days, man

            Still waiting for you and your fellow weirdos to answer even one question I’ve asked you to back up with substantial logic or proof. I knew you wouldn’t be able to, lol

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            I think you are Arguing for Argument sake. No need for name calling. Its a debate.

          • none business

            good rant courtney

          • Corndog

            Ok, I’m only saying this once. The calling people Courtney shit, either stop it, or leave. If you keep that shit up I’m banning your account. We’ve really had more than enough of that paranoid nonsense. Fucking wise up!!!

          • Felonious Punk

            Good angle, Tom Grant

        • Corndog

          So, if someone doesn’t agree that Cobain was murdered that means they are automatically a CL fanboy?

          That makes zero sense whatsoever.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Of course it doesn’t and that isn’t what I said. I said it was typical of courtney love fan boy/girls to made up their minds without actually understanding the facts or the relevance of the evidence. I come across this type of denial when talking to her fans hence the reason why I made such a comment. I have friends that disagree with the murder theory but of course that doesn’t make them ”automatically a CL fanboy’ as you stated. They simply disagree because they haven’t taken the time to review the case and understand the evidence.

          • Corndog

            Well that is certainly what it looked like you said. You were talking about Felonious, whom i know has no love for Courtney Love, hence my question.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Actually I was making a general comment to Tonyclifton at the time but I can see how you misunderstood my original comment. I’ll be more careful to offer more distinction in future. I do have a simple question which I find supporters of the official findings hard to answer if you care to share your opinion? do you believe that, regardless of the outcome, Kurt Cobain deserves a full and proper death investigation considering we now know that this never happened back in 94 when he was found dead?

          • Corndog

            With all due respect, i do not wish to get drawn into this particular debate again. As i said in another article a few days ago, i think this subject matter really brings out the worst in people so i tend to avoid getting involved. I just wanted address the one point i mentioned before. Sorry.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Ok fair enough. Personally I think anyone that dies, regardless of who they are, deserves a full and proper investigation in order to determine the true nature of their death. In the case of Kurt cobain it is clear from the original case files that this never happened at the time. Therefore, and this is more of a rhetorical point, if the presevation of truth and justice is of no significance to the authorities or the general public then what’s the point of conducting any such investigations in the first place.

          • Felonious Punk

            And now it’s *obvious* you’re just taking out of your rectum.

            Because if you invested any time in this site outside of just popping in to spout your conspiracy crap, you would know that there isn’t one person here who supports Courtney in any way, shape or form. We routinely mock that batshit crazy hag on just about every level.

            The “Courtney Love fanboy” retort is just the de facto insult Cobain Conspiracy loons use when they have zero argument. Like you do.

          • Felonious Punk

            Gordon Bennett not making sense? I’m shocked..

          • none business

            or they could be Courtney herself under an anonymous handle or it could be a Courtney co-conspirator, trolling these sites, still trying to spin public opinion, trying to control people’s perception of events. hopefully somehow there will be justice for kurt and the horrific brutality against him. in the meantime it would be nice if the murderers could feel what it’s like to be hunted the way kurt was hunted, first to rome and then hunted again in his final days. it would be nice to think they could feel hunted by public opinion, and the possibility of actual justice for kurt.

          • Corndog

            Sure, why not. Sounds legit.

        • none business

          it’s probably Courtney or one of her co-conspirators. it is the only way this individual could have a reaction like that to soaked in bleach. they are probably obsessed with these sites where they try to keep spinning their lies and misinformation. they understand the facts alright.

          • Corndog

            I thought Soaked In Bleach was utter bullshit. So we both must be Courtney by your twisted logic…

      • Felonious Punk

        Gladly..

        1.) The handwriting samples, ALLEGEDLY found in a backpack belonging to Courtney, provided to Tom Grant by Rosemary Carroll. Allegedly.

        I support the word “allegedly” because Rosemary Carroll herself has denied EVER talking to Tom Grant about ANYTHING used in Soaked In Bleach or elsewhere. Carroll also had Kurt Cobain as a client, and repeatedly had him draft letters for her when it came to contracts, his will, etc. So for all you can prove, that handwriting sheet belonged to Kurt.

        If the very person Tom Grant “claims” provided him the handwriting sheet ALLEGEDLY from a bag belonging to Courtney won’t even admit to it, why the hell would I believe Tom Grant over Rosemary Carroll? Carroll has never spoken publicly about any handwriting sheet found in a bag and claims she never spoke to Tom Grant about the possibility of Kurt being murdered. Why would she suddenly turn tail like that, for no reason?

        So once again, you have a piece of “evidence” ALLEGEDLY given to Tom Grant by a person who denies ever giving him anything of the kind. Unless you can substantially prove that Rosemary Carroll indeed handed that note to Tom Grant, it can’t be proven, and is thus invalid.

        2.) The last “half” of the suicide note is actually only four lines, for starters. And to back up my assertion that Kurt wrote the entire thing himself, one could just consult his publicly-released Journals for PROOF that Kurt actually wrote in a variety of different ways, with entire entries in that book looking remarkably similar to the last four lines of his suicide note. Of course, Tom Grant isn’t going to point that out.

        You know what else Tom Grant isn’t pointing out? The fact that he’s had dozens of handwriting experts investigate Kurt’s suicide note in the futile attempt to prove that somebody other than Kurt wrote a portion of the note. Janis Parker — a renowned document and handwriting expert — has publicly stated that Tom Grant’s claims are bullshit, and that the entire note is in Kurt’s handwriting, based on past letters and notes written by Cobain himself. Dateline NBC sent the suicide note to FOUR different handwriting experts; three said the handwriting was entirely Cobain’s, while the fourth said he wasn’t going to draw a conclusion to a photocopy of a note because that’s poor practice.

        Poor practice…something Tom Grant has heard many times throughout the course of his investigation, I’m sure.

        So there you have it, Clifton: PROOF — easily verifiable and available — to debunk your conspiracy bullshit. Now YOU can answer a few questions of my own, if you have the balls to show your face around here again…

        1.) Why the fuck, if someone did in fact murder Kurt, would they take the time to load him up with three times the lethal dose of heroin and then go through the EXTRA trouble of manipulating a shotgun blast to his head and forging a fake suicide note? Kurt was a well-known hardcore heroin addict. Why not just shoot him up to the point of a fatal overdose and leave it at that, to arouse zero suspicion when the body was eventually found?

        Seriously, why would *anyone* go through all that extra trouble, especially when you and your conspiracy whackjobs claim it was so obviously suspicious? Can you answer that one for us?

        2.) Tom Grant has repeatedly gone on record — in SIB and in his fiction books — claiming that Courtney and Dylan Carlson were erratic, unreliable, strung out, untruthful and downright unsavory.

        And yet, a solid 80% of his “evidence” and investigative work, as seen in SIB and his books, were directly culled from information given to him by Courtney and Dylan. The other 20% is from the Seattle Police Department investigation that he also claims was botched.

        Why — if these people are SO unreliable and untrustworthy — is ALL of his circumstantial evidence based on information they themselves provided him?

        Ball’s in your court, Clifton. Put your head together with “Gordon Bennett” and see if you two dullards can actually form half a brain and provide a logical explanation to either one of these questions.

        Or just disappear like you conspiracy clowns always do, lol

        • Julie May

          So the recordings of Rosemary Carroll telling Tom Grant that she doesn’t believe Kurt committed suicide aren’t actually her then? Is that what your saying. Surprising she hasn’t sued him for libel if that’s the case.

          You seem to like calling people that disagree with you “idiots” and “dullards” etc, yet you don’t seem too bright yourself. That’s pretty typical of stupid people.

          • Felonious Punk

            Can Tom Grant prove that’s Rosemary Carroll on those audio tapes? Rosemary Carroll herself claims she never had those conversations with Tom Grant. Am I going to believe her word or Tom Grant’s word then?

            Unless Tom Grant can prove that it’s Rosemary Carroll — and he obviously can’t — his argument is invalid.

            And as far as being logical and bright, my posts more than speak for themselves in this case. I back my arguments up with verifiable evidence and proof, whereas you’re just another one of these Tom Grant flunkies who can’t prove a goddamn thing, and therefore has to resort to basement-level insults like “No Felonious, YOU’RE the stupid one. So there!”

          • Julie May

            Interesting that if Grant would include taped conversations in a film saying that it was the lawyer of Courtney and Kurt ie. Rosemary Carroll, that she would do NOTHING to dispute this at all. Gee, wonder why..?

          • Felonious Punk

            How do you know she’s not disputing it? Or better yet, why would she backpedal on what she said if she was so adamant that Kurt was murdered?

            She’s a lawyer, so I doubt she’s easily intimidated. Gee, wonder why..?

          • none business

            I think it would be easy to identify carroll’s voice, Courtney. perhaps some sort of expert does that.

          • Felonious Punk

            Then why haven’t you brought Kurt’s killer to justice then, Tom?

        • TonyClifton

          You’re obviously joking here right? You didn’t answer my questions at all. Have you not researched my two points at all? Your response is either lazy or uneducated. Do you need me to expand the sources for you? Or have you simply looked at one site for your retort as is shown here with your copy and paste job. Similar to what someone who hasn’t researches the subject thoroughly would do.

          • Felonious Punk

            Loooooooool more of the same yet again. Subterfuge subterfuge and more subterfuge. I provided names and angles you probably never even heard of or bothered to consider, and now it’s more than obvious who looks like a dumbass here. Convenient how you had absolutely no answers to my questions either. Conveniently ignoring them with some bullshit smokescreen blanket answer about how I haven’t researched the matter, when it’s plainly obvious I have.

            The people who come here regularly — i.e. NOT you and your gang of conspiracy crackups — aren’t stupid, bub. I’ve proven time and time again your Tom Grant conspiracy sham is poorly presented and completely nonsensical.

            I get it, man: some people just NEED to spend their lives believing Kurt didn’t really kill himself. And it sucks when a guy who knows his shit rolls in and blows that whole theory out of the water on a routine basis the way I do. It’s only natural for you to feel like a complete fool in that case, man.

          • miranda woltage

            This Felonious Flunk guy is on every Alt N comment section, and he never makes the slightest bit of sense. It looks like he really thinks he is making sound observations, its embarrassing. I for one am actually not convinced that Courtney Love had Kurt killed at this point, but the tapes are not faked you moron. Silly! Stick to writing comments about songs with three chords you dummy!

          • Felonious Punk

            Sound, logical advice from Miranda Woltage. “Hi, I’m brand new to the site! Let me tell you regulars who actually contribute to the place how I think it should *really* be done.”

            Hilarious.

          • Gordon Bennett

            I think it’s probably best not to engage with the village idiot. At first I assumed Felonious Flunk was an angry, hormonal teenager but I’m starting to suspect they are actually a middle aged man in their 40/50’s with nothing better to do with their life than to troll comments made by anyone that disagrees with them. Felonious reminds me of the Chris Morris Jam sketch depicting the futility of arguing with a stupid person because a stupid person doesn’t understand when they have lost the argument so carry on arguing regardless. On a serious note, I respect your position but I think a proper investigation should be carried out by the authorities in order to address the many unanswered questions surrounding the death of Kurt Cobain. The former chief of police for Seattle, Norm Stamper, is now on record as stating ”if I was still the chief of police today I would re-open this investigation” when talking about the case. This view is supported by forensic pathologists Dr. Cyril Wecht and Dr. Vincent DiMaio who have also reviewed the case. Personally I support the views of experts in their field over the views of arm chair idiots (who are in denial about audio recordings that aren’t even in dispute haha)

          • Felonious Punk

            Still waiting for you to answer the questions I asked you yesterday. For a guy who is so sure Kurt was murdered, you sure have a funny way of proving it.

            Or rather, supporting your conspiracy with nothing but hearsay and speculation. Present any of this “evidence” you have to a jury and you’d get laughed out of the courthouse within minutes.

          • Gordon Bennett

            You want me to answer your questions but what would be the point? I would only be wasting my time. Clearly you have your mind made up on this issue Felonious. You present nothing but your opinions, to which I clearly disagree, whilst you offer nothing but inaccuracies and misrepresentations of the truth in order to support your views. I have discussed this case at length with many open minded individuals over the years who are actually interested in establishing how Kurt died. It is clear from your posts that you are not one of those individuals. I mean, you don’t even believe the audio recordings with Rosemary Carroll are real! Anyone who cares about Kurt’s death can research the case for themselves without the pointless banging of heads that people resort to on this blog and other online forums. If you don’t think that the original case was mishandled despite ‘suicide’ being pronounced to the media the same day by the SPD and ruled as such on the police reports within hours of Kurt’s body being found (before the autopsy and toxicology tests had been conducted), if you don’t wish to question the alarming amount of heroin found in Kurt’s system (3 times the lethal dose for a hard core addict, 75 times the lethal dose for a non user) which was the largest overdose of heroin recorded in King County according to Detective Ciesynski of the SPD, if you don’t wish to question why the bullet shell casing was found on the opposite side of the ejection chamber or the suspicious behaviour of Courtney Love and Cali Dewitt prior to and after the body had been found then nothing I say to you will be of any consequence. I would rather have such a discussion about these unresolved issues with individuals who have the intelligence to understand them and are open to the idea of having the case re-opened by the relevant authorities in order to establish the actual truth about what really happened.

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            hey you seem really interested and know a lot about the case. Have you signed the Petition to reopen the Kurt Cobain case?? If not, click on this link: http://www.change.org/p/seattle-police-department-reopening-the-case-of-kurt-cobain-s-death and share as well thank you.
            FOR THOSE WHO DONT BELIEVE – DO NOT COMMENT AS I WILL IGNORE!!! For those who are curious about the evidence or facts of this case WATCH SOAKED IN BLEACH ON NETFLIX or read information on this site by TOM GRANT http://www.cobainevidence.com its a summary. Thanks

          • Corndog

            There are children dying all over the world, every day, right now as we speak, because they don’t have enough to eat. Issues like that, they are important subjects worthy of your time. There are much more important things such as that, which you could be directing this energy into. Does it really matter either way? The guy was going to be dead one way or another within a few years, regardless. The constant theorising about Cobain’s death helps nothing and no one.

            There are so many other serious issues that you could get behind. Honestly, in the grand scheme of things, does this subject really matter? Will it improve the quality of life for people around the world? Would reopening the case make ANYONE’S life any better? Will it solve the world energy crisis? World hunger? Repair the ozone layer? Make education free and available for all? Will it make the world a better place in any way?

            I just don’t get the point of all this. It is such a waste of time and energy that could be better spent. I am so thoroughly sick of this pointless subject. The man’s own daughter doesn’t care about reopening the case, so neither should you. You have nothing invested in it.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Who says that I don’t direct any time and energy into discussing ”other serious issues” as you put it Corndog?. I am capable of caring about more than one subject matter at any given time. The cobain case is just one of a long list of subjects that I am interested in. I don’t think you should presume to know otherwise. I happen to think that the presevation of truth and justice does matter for all individuals exluding none. That includes you and I and certainly shouldn’t exclude Kurt either. I do agree with you that its a ”waste of time and engergy” spent discussing these issues on this site. Particularily with individuals such as Felonious Punk. However, the same can be asked of yourself with regard to why you choose to comment on a subject you claimed you didn’t wish to discuss yesterday?

          • Corndog

            I don’t, i didn’t, and i’m not going to. My comment was on the discussion of the subject, rather than the subject itself, if you can see the distinction. Nowhere did i offer any opinion on whether i think Cobain was murdered or not.

            I am just tired of it. I really am. It is meaningless, and it only ruins the atmosphere around here. Like i said, there are more important things to worry about than the death of junkie who was going to kill himself one way or another. If Frances is happy enough with how things are/were, then i think everyone else should be, as she and the rest of his family are the only people with anything invested or to gain.

          • Gordon Bennett

            I don’t think you or anyone else can presume to know whether or not Kurt was ”going to kill himself one way or another”. Also, we don’t know what Frances has/hasn’t been told regarding the subject so it is also hard to form conclusions as to whether she is ”happy enough with how things are/were”. If you are tired of reading about whether Kurt was murdered or not you don’t have to. Particularly when that is the current subject at hand being discussed on this page. You are free to stop reading and wasting your time commenting. Seems like a waste of your time as it is mine. No disrespect intended.

          • Corndog

            I think given the amount of drugs the guy was pumping into his system it is safe to make an educated guess….

            It is not hard at all to form conclusions about Frances. If she had any issues with the circumstances surrounding her fathers death, then i’m sure she would have done something about it by now. Yet she has not, so again, it is safe to make an educated guess that she has no problems with the way it was handled

            Actually, i’m the moderator of this site so reading the comments section is sort of my job. That’s kind of the point. Can’t moderate the comments if i don’t read them, now can i Gordon?

          • Gordon Bennett

            Well we don’t know for sure ”the amount of drugs” kurt was taking so I’d rather refrain from resulting to guess work. Again, we don’t know for sure if Frances has any ”issues” with the circumstances surrounding Kurt’s death. If indeed Kurt was murdered then I’m willing to make an educated guess that Courtney would have tried to brainwash her daughter to believe such a notion was just a ‘crazy conspiracy theory’ as she was growing up. Again though, I would rather refrain from making educated guesses on this subject but you can see how it applies to both sides of the argument. With regard to being the moderator, you clearly seem to have a bias when it comes to how comments are posted on this page. I see that you have asked Miranda Woltage ”not to be rude and start name calling” but I don’t see the same etiquette being asked of Felonious Punk….

          • Corndog

            There is no bias. I don’t see Felonious calling people names here unless provoked, and have on more than one occasion pulled him for taking it too far. If you’d spent any amount of time on this site you’d know that to be true. You yourself have been bordering on the unpleasant with the comments you have made towards Felonious throughout this thread, and i didn’t say anything to you about it either, now did i? The reason Miranda was called out for what she said is quite simple. That was her very first post ever on this site, and she used it to badmouth one of the regulars. So yes, absolutely, if some new person turns up and the first and only words out of their mouth is to take a pop at one of the regulars then you can bet your ass I’m going to say something to them!!

            At least when you were being borderline rude (village idiot ETC) you were doing so in defence of your position in your argument with Felonious, and the both of you seemed to be giving as good as your got so i felt no need to intervene just yet. Her comment was nothing but smack talk about another user, that was essentially its entire content, and i am not having that. That is why i replied to her. I think that is more than reasonable, but If you have some sort of problem with that, there isn’t much i can do about it. I don’t really have to explain myself to you; although out of courtesy i just did. Also, i would respectfully submit that how i moderate this site is between myself and the owner, who to date, has had no issues.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Actually I have viewed this site on several different occasions in the past without previously posting a comment. I have noted overly aggressive and not to mention inaccurate comments made by Felonious Punk before which can only be interpreted as being provocative. In fact, his first post on this particular thread stated ”I always look forward to Cobain articles because all the conspiracy nutjobs start coming out in droves and its fun to make complete fools out of them”. I would hardly say Felonious only calls people names unless provoked in light of this comment where he cleary refers to people who believe kurt was murdered as ”conspiracy nutjobs’. Personally I think that all posters should be treated the same regardless of whether they are a regular or not. Anyway, like you stated earlier to which you had a point, arguing back and forth like this is a waste of time and indeed I do have better and more important things to do with my life.

          • Corndog

            In fairness Mr. Bennett, we have had some really crazy whackjobs come out of the woodwork recently because of this particular subject, you know the type, the folks that start to claim that you are in fact Courtney love herself simply because you do not agree with their theories, and then start to make death threats ETC. These are the sort of people that Felonious was referring to. To clarify, and for the record (yet again) i would prefer this subject not get discussed at all, but when it does i have no issue whatsoever with people putting forth their opinions on the subject, and any associated details they may wish to offer. People like yourself, that while clearly passionate on the subject appear capable of keeping it relatively civil while discussing it. People like yourself though are very much in the minority, so given the sort of people that generally comment on articles like this i really can’t blame FP for expecting ‘nutjobs’ to turn up. That’s pretty much what i expected too, because that is what normally happens.

            I do not agree that Felonious is overly aggressive at all. As for how accurate or inaccurate the details of his argument are, to be frank, i don’t care any more than i care how accurate your details are. You can fight that out amongst yourselves. I simply do not care enough about this subject to be bothered either way, plus, i’m not the accuracy police so it’s not really anything to do with me.

            As for how posters are treated, i think i am more than fair. Everyone does get treated equally; as i said i have ‘chastised’ Felonious on more than one occasion and even deleted a post of two of his. That girl (Miranda was it? Can’t remember) was offering nothing to the discussion beyond taking a few pot shots at another user. I would and have said something to anyone that did something similar.

            I really want nothing more than us all to get along as best we can, and find some common ground to discuss the music we all love. This is why i hate this topic. It makes people angry and nasty. I think i am very reasonable when it comes to moderation, and will generally not get involved unless someone is being downright rude to another poster. That goes for anyone, and that is what i believe Miranda(?) was doing so i said something. Simple as that. Do you think i have been unfair to you in some way? I thought i as being quite pleasant actually.

            As to us ‘arguing back and forth’, far as i am concerned we have been having a calm civilised discussion, nothing more. Regarding having nothing more to do, i like to use this site to help me get my days work in, which, i’m pleased to say, ends in a little under 20 minutes.

          • Gordon Bennett

            Fair enough Corndog. To clarify, you have not been unfair to myself on this thread. I apologise if I gave that impression. My comment about arguing back and forth was in reference to Felonious Punk when discussing the Cobain case. It was not intended in any way as a reference to our own discussion which, as you said, was calm and indeed civilized. Regarding the ”crazy whackjobs” as you put it, I understand your point and have witnessed these idiots myself on other sites. However, to be fair, such people can be found on both sides of the argument when it comes to discussing divisive subjects such as the Cobain case. I guess it’s time for me to take my own advice and ignore them.

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            Nothing can be proven until the case is re-investigated. But saying that who says he injected all that heroin. He was in Rehab to get off heroin and found pain relief finally for his stomach from a doctor. It is an addiction but he wasn’t the first and wont be the last. I am sure Kurt’s immediate family want the truth to come out. They are keeping a low profile I am sure and the media can spin whatever rubbish they want to sell papers or magazines but every human deserves a proper investigation right

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          • Corndog

            Why did you say the same thing twice?

          • AlanCantWhistle

            He was in rehab for two days and the pain relief was heroin. His own dealer has stated that he sold to Kurt before the Live and Loud show. The Live and Loud show which the makers of SiB claims Kurt was clean during even though he looks totally wasted.

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            Nothing can be proven until the case is re-investigated. But saying that who says he injected all that heroin. He was in Rehab to get off heroin and found pain relief finally for his stomach from a doctor. It is an addiction but he wasn’t the first and wont be the last. I am sure Kurt’s immediate family want the truth to come out. They are keeping a low profile I am sure and the media can spin whatever rubbish they want to sell papers or magazines but every human deserves a proper investigation right

          • Corndog

            What is wrong with 3 chord songs? Isn’t that like half of Nirvana’s back catalogue?

          • Corndog

            Please stick to discussing the topic and not other posters. You don’t agree with him, fine, but there is no need to be rude and start name calling.

          • Gordon Bennett

            As I said Tony, you will only be wasting your time ‘debating’ this subject with Felonious Punk who loves to troll this site making up answers that have no basis in truth. No-one, except Felonious Punk, is disputing that it was Rosemary carroll on those audio recordings. No libel claims have ever been filed by Rosemary or Courtney regarding the audio recordings or letters sent to Tom Grant from Rosemary’s office. Next Felonious Punk will be claiming that it wasn’t Courtney on those audio tapes and no-one can prove that is was because Felonious Punk says so. The personal attacks and ego driven rants of Felonious Punk tell you all you need to know about this person’s agenda which, as I stated before, has no basis in representing the truth. Unless that is, you consider the truth to be whatever Felonious Punk wants to make up and misrepresent. Over the years many of us have opened our eyes to the shoddy police investigation into Kurt’s death (suicide concluded within hours of the body being found, as per the SPD case files, before they had conducted autopsy and toxicology tests) but people like Felonious Punk choose to bury their heads in the sand and spend their time building sand castles as their defence.

          • Felonious Punk

            Looooooooooolololol the ducking and dodging continues from you glib conspiracy dolts, as usual.

            SHOW US THE PROOF, FELLAS.

            Tom Grant’s “evidence” and theories regarding foul play in Cobain’s death have NEVER been substantiated. Why have there been ZERO arrests in the investigation by ANY police department or agency in 22 years? Because they’re all fools and you select conglomerate of think tanks are way ahead of everyone else? Lololololololol

            This is why your precious “investigation” will never amount to anything more than speculation and hearsay; it’s not what you think, it’s what you can prove.

            I can PROVE — and do so routinely on this site — that evidence substantiates the fact that Kurt committed suicide.

            Meanwhile, you tinfoil-hat goofs have nothing but a shitty docu-drama to base your entire argument on. You can dodge my questions and your yourselves as being “in the know” here, but without any logical explanations or substantial proof to support your crackhead theory, your whole conspiracy theory is DOA.

          • Jonathan Michael Flynn Kellehe

            The Case was “Opened and Closed” on the same day. Just because he was a Rock Star who did heroin in the past and he was 27. Coincidental and unfair eh What if he was a relative of yours. And you knew in your heart it was murder. How would you feel or more to the point what would you do.

          • none business

            calm down Courtney. maybe you need a fix to relax. take some of kurts money and get yourself situated this evening.

          • Felonious Punk

            Already have plenty thanks to you fools buying into Montage of Crap, so thanks I’m all set lololol

        • AlanCantWhistle

          I’m with you on the murder theory being a load of pish but when did Rosemary Carroll deny talking to Grant and showing him the backpack? As far as I’m aware she’s never publicly spoken about Grant.

          • Felonious Punk

            It says in Grant’s own book Love & Death that she later denied ever speaking to Grant or ever furnishing him with anything implicating Courtney, Dean, etc. in Kurt’s death.

    • none business

      hey Courtney, or Courtney co conspirator. I really like your handle. very clever.

      • Felonious Punk

        Hey Tom Grant, your handle is strangely apt as well. If the shoe fits…

  • Bram

    Is she mentioning Elliott Smith? If not then Elliott who?

    • ez

      yes, she and Elliott Smith were close and toured together in the mid-late 90s. Elliott also gave her one of the prettiest/catchiest songs he ever wrote, and played guitar on the studio version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL0xOdI9cZA

      • Bram

        Oh wow I didn’t know that. That’s awesome. Elliott was very underrated. Love the song “The Biggest Lie”

  • Pink Taco

    No I do not think Mary Lou is doing it for gain. She’s doing it because she’s needy and desperate and wanting attention. I’m sorry darling, you are 20 years too late. Kurt is an ashtray and Courtney is irrelevant, hardly a star and any statute of limitations ran out a long time ago. So what is that she wants? Everything she says, we already know! We know Courtney is ‘eating fruit loops on Charles Manson’s front porch’ crazy. How many more diatribes do we get? Wow, Kurt you always knew how to pick the crazy women. I think it’s time for Mary Lou to seek therapy to work on her issues. You can’t live this way.

  • Jimmy Intense

    She is definitely bat-shit crazy and can’t keep her stories straight. Didn’t she accuse Courtney of murdering Kurt during her initial tirade? Oh wait…that was recanted. I’m willing to bet my left nut that Mary will eventually say Tom Grant put her up to all of this and none of it was true.

    Broken teeth and a cracked skull? Surely medical records would set the record straight.

    I reckon she blames Jennifer Chiba for Elliott’s death too.

  • deadbird1229

    I am so sick of this bitch blathering on about her ’90s bully Courtney Love and how she was BFFs with Elliott Smith and dated (or didn’t date, depends on what day it is) Kurt Cobain. I thought she was nutty based on the posts she made last week—now that she’s saying Courtney broke her teeth and cracked her skull, I’m legitimately convinced she’s either on drugs or is going insane.

    Courtney was no doubt an unhinged bitch toward her back then, but she’s moved on with her life and is busy doing her own thing, while meanwhile this woman is sitting on the internet complaining about how Courtney chased her out of a Hole concert 25 years ago and said something mean about her in a magazine. Some of us have real problems.

  • Corndog

    When were teeth broken and skulls cracked, and why were the police not called at the time?

    • AlanCantWhistle

      She was scared. Why is everyone scared of Courtney Love? Well, everyone but Jennifer Finch from L7 who threw her bass at Courtney. And Buzz Osbourne and Mark Arm.

      • Corndog

        Gotta love Jennifer Finch! Had pics of her all over my bedroom and school folders when i was a kid:)