Is Grunge Still Relevant?

Billy Corgan recently stated that the mythology of the 90’s is no longer relevant, and he’s gone after many of his contemporaries for cash grabs as well in recent years.

So, is Grunge still relevant?

Are the bands from the alternative rock revolution of the 90’s still relevant as 2014 comes to a close? Below, AlternativeNation.net’s top reporters take a candid look at some of the generation’s top bands who had some activity this year.

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Pearl Jam

Mike Mazzarone: Quiet year for Pearl Jam when it comes to activity, but they did more then other bands (CheSTP). Are they still relevant? No shit Sherlock.

Brett Buchanan: Pearl Jam didn’t do any heavy touring, but their North American tour was one of the highlights of the year. They performed No Code and Yield, debuted a new song, had special guests like Rick Nielsen, they’re the best live band out there today, and they’re aging gracefully. The difference between them and some of these other bands is they’re not stuck in a time warp. They stuck together when many of these bands faded away, and never have changed their sound to jump on a bandwagon, or relied on a certain era to sell tours or records.Β  Every band should aspire to have the legacy of Pearl Jam.

Doug McCausland: Pearl Jam continues to Pearl Jam it up. That is all.

The verdict:

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Nirvana

Mike: Inducted in the Rock Hall in 2014. Legacy sealed and relevancy sealed. Relevant in 2014 and will be until the end of time. Next.

Brett: The two Nirvana reunion performances were classy and did a great job of servicing the legacy of the band. Nirvana ended 20 years ago and they’re the most relevant Grunge band to this day, the songs are timeless and there are no Kurt Cobain hip hop records or Lil Wayne collaborations to fuck up his legacy, though I’d much prefer that over what happened to him.

Doug: Nirvana should go on tour with guest singers. I don’t care what anyone thinks, I just want to see Dave and Krist on stage together.

The verdict:

billysmiling

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Foo Fighters

Mike: Has there been a more relevancy Gen X band in 2014, with exception to, perhaps, Smashing Pumpkins then Foo Fighters? Successful new album, the documentary series, several tour and festival dates. I don’t think their relevancy is in question.

Doug: I give Grohl and the boys credit for their high ambition with Sonic Highways. There were a handful of good songs on the record, but it didn’t come close to hitting the bar raised by 2011’s Wasting Light. Regardless, the Foos continue to sell out stadiums, and I don’t see them fading away anytime soon. Thanks for being rock’s continued spokesperson, Dave, and hopefully the 2015 tour openers, Royal Blood, will make some great follow up records with huge sounding songs and be just as big one day.

Brett: I didn’t like the new album, the songs just weren’t exciting, it felt like Dad Rock, but I enjoyed the HBO show and the message of it. Dave Grohl is definitely doing his part to try to inspire a new generation of rockers, and helping out younger artists like Royal Blood and Zac Brown. Foo Fighters themselves are definitely still relevant, but they’re not a band at a creative peak right now, nor do they bring any sense of danger. Their live shows though are some of the most entertaining in rock.

The verdict:

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Soundgarden

Doug: Soundgarden’s 2012 comeback album, King Animal, was a solid record in my book. However, it doesn’t seem like these guys are really enjoying their reunion, especially compared to the energetic Chris Cornell we experienced during his Songbook tour dates. Now that the fabled B-sides album is finally out, perhaps it’s pointless to drag on the Soundgarden legacy any further.

Brett: I loved the 2011 Soundgarden show I went to but each one since has been subsequently less exciting, with this year’s show in Irvine on the NIN tour being a lackluster performance, especially compared to NIN. Matt Cameron’s absence was evident as well, and the fact that they’d go on tour without him was a little disheartening. Soundgarden’s music has stood the test of time, which enables them to go out there and perform less than stellar shows and put out a lot of repackaged old music and make good money based on the legacy of their incredible music, but at this point they’re just another aging band playing their old hits with less passion than they did 20 years ago, but they’ve earned the right to do it.

Mike: When I saw them live this year they lacked passion and were boring. They are the epitome of the cash grab band.

The verdict:

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Stone Temple Pilots

Doug: STP seem to have become a Linkin Park side project, and they will need to release an album in 2015 before I completely write off Chester’s hiring as a total mistake. If they don’t have activity in 2015, it will be the same amount of time between Self-Titled and Scott’s firing. Meanwhile, I look forward to Scott’s new album… assuming it ever comes out.

Mike: Hey, remember when we were supposed to get the CheSTP album that was supposed to follow the EP? That and a small tour would of boosted their relevancy this year but sadly Scott Weiland and the Scarfabouts have won the relevancy war this year over CheSTP.

Brett: When STP dumped Weiland and brought in Chester I bought into the hype because I thought we would get more music from the DeLeos delivered on a consistent basis, and see them perform more STP deep cuts without having to deal with Weiland’s shenanigans. The fact that the site got special coverage of STP with Chester probably helped sway my view as well. The reality hit though as time went on that STP are now a Linkin Park side project that will perform live shows consisting of the old radio hits when Chester has free time in his schedule, with occasional mediocre new material. The shows are professionally performed by four talented musicians and good guys, and on time, but the real heart and passion is no longer there, it’s contrived, like it is for many of the bands on this list.

STP is a brand that is still being used to sell tours and make money, but it is not STP without Scott Weiland. As much as he’s fucked up, for better or worse, those are his songs too and his life. To see STP with Chester and Scott Weiland and the Wildabouts perform inferior versions of those songs (and even the original STP on their last couple of tours) has cheapened their legacy and the songs in the name of the almighty dollar. As for Scott Weiland, his live shows improved this year and he put a focus on showcasing his new material, a big improvement for him after a trainwreck 2013, but his career is at a low point. He was headlining the Hollywood Bowl with STP just over 6 years ago, and now he’s playing bars and casinos. Addiction sucks, I’ve lost loved ones to it, and I’ve seen people beat it. It causes a path of destruction, and Weiland’s has done great damage to his and STP’s careers. It’s a sad situation for STP fans, but all we can do is hope for the health and happiness of all four guys, as the legacy at this point has become an afterthought.

The verdict:

billyheadshaking

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Alice In Chains

Doug: Alice In Chains continue to be a good live act for the most part, but it seems they have been caught up in their own dark image to the point of making music and writing lyrics that only pander to the Grunge audience. It’s 2014, these guys are multi-millionaires now who aren’t on heroin, it’s time for a change of musical direction.

Mike: I was wrong. THIS is the definition of a cash grab band.

Brett: I was a big fan of Black Gives Way to Blue and enjoyed the shows I saw on that tour. Jerry Cantrell brought it with some great inspired songs on that record. The most recent album and show that I saw though weren’t that great. They may have hit the point of ‘aging band that just plays the old hits.’ They’ve earned it, and it happens I guess, we all get old or we die young.

The verdict:

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Smashing Pumpkins

Mike: Asking an Alternative Nation reporter if The Smashing Pumpkins are relevant or not in 2014 is like asking if I spent Christmas jerking off to Taylor Momsen in The Pretty Reckless’ “Going to Hell” video. Spoiler, I did, and they are. It was a white Christmas, and the Grinch isn’t stealing it from me. BillCo haters make me wanna die.

Brett: Corgan is a bit different than a lot of these other guys. Many of these other bands are just solely out there for the money, but Corgan is out there for the music, and his ego as well, which makes for a more interesting aging artist to follow than these other guys. He isn’t calculated and political like these other guys, he just says exactly what he thinks and doesn’t give a shit if it makes him look cool. Corgan feels he doesn’t get the respect he deserves compared to his contemporaries, and is still driven to create new music to prove them wrong and cement his legacy. He also calls out a lot of these guys who are pretending to still be pissed off and passionate like they were in 1994, and while some of it seems to be rooted in jealousy like in the case of Pearl Jam, in many cases he is right in calling out these bands for reliving the past for money.

While Corgan still uses his brand name, he is definitely not in the same league as the cash grabbers, as he’s never done a tour focusing on Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. While Corgan is driven to get the approval he deserves, it’s almost a moot point, because his stellar body of work will speak for itself long after he is gone. Anyways, he released Monuments to an Elegy this year, and it had some good to great songs on it, along with a few mediocre ones. It was overall an inspired effort that was superior to the recent efforts of many of his contemporaries. Is Billy Corgan still relevant in 2014? Yes, because like him or not, he is Billy Corgan in 2014, he’s not trying to pretend to be Billy Corgan from 1994.

Doug: Though seemingly a commercial flop, Monuments to an Elegy was another great effort by Billy Corgan, whose continued “harsh love” attitude towards his contemporaries to keep up with the changing music scene is misconstrued by the audience as him being some sort of prick. Guess what? In the end, he’s the 90’s musician who gets the most attention.

The verdict:

billysmiling

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Nine Inch Nails

Mike: This is a no brainer. Reznor did the score for fucking Gone Girl for goodness sake. NIN showed they were the lead band in their co-headlining tour with Soundgarden, they were one of the most relevant bands in music in 2014, not just rock.

Doug: The Nine Inch Nails brand is just as relevant as it was 20 years ago thanks to the electronic landscape of modern music and the continued success of Trent’s partnership with David Fincher.

Brett: Reznor has aged gracefully, with NIN’s live shows in no way feeling like attempts to recapture 1994. NIN feels very contemporary and has a great stage show, and Reznor has also crossed over into film, scoring one of the year’s best films in Gone Girl.

The verdict:

billysmiling

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Weezer

Mike: Even though the album was mediocre, everything will be alright for Weezer’s credibility and relevancy in the end.

Doug: Rivers Cuomo took me back to the shack and musically pleasured my ears with EWBAITE. I leave you with that image in your head.

Brett: The idea of marketing a record to push the narrative that you are recapturing your 90’s sound just seems dumb. If it’s a good record, market it as being a good new record, the past is the past, but the whole narrative just feels contrived after Weezer were clearly just doing whatever it took to sell records throughout most of the 2000’s. This new record has some cool songs and more of the ‘classic Weezer sound’ than their recent records, but the songs aren’t as good. They’re definitely trying though and they put on a great live show, but fuck ‘rockin out like it’s 94.’ Let’s rock out like it’s 2014 with a new rock revolution to knock those stupid singing shows.

The verdict:

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Bush

Doug: I voted for Kerry.

Brett: They all seem like nice guys and they’ve got a nice collection of hits, but the new record was Dad Rock at its worst. They still put on a really entertaining show though, but in no way was Bush a relevant band in 2014.

Mike: Meh.

The verdict:

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  • http://Boom.com Boom

    FUCK THE WEEZER AND FUCK LISTS

    Boom out!!

  • Dave Brookes

    AND FUCK YOU BOOM DEAD ROCK CRITIC BITCH
    THEY MAKE MUSIC
    YOU MAKE SHIT, YOU ARE NOTHING
    COME 2015: YOU DIE

    • God

      this is what the God, DH, and Germany thinks of Dave Brookes

      • http://Boom.com Boom

        Happy new year to the God. Fuck the Brookes. He cunty.

        Boom out!!

        • God

          Happy New Year Boom!…Fuck the Brookes…..time to get some from the wife

          • Dave Brookes

            BOOM GONNA DIE IN 2015 πŸ™‚
            HIS NAME SAYS IS ALL
            KABOOMM

            HEY BOOM AFTER YOUR BRAINS ARE BLOWN OUT
            DONT COME BACK HERE YOU MORON

          • jcal7

            Really Brooke’s, you have some animosity with Boom but fuck off with those comments. They are so unnecessary on a comment post. Boom is a part of this site as much as the next person, but that stuff is terrible.

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            Boom say the thank you.

            Boom out!!

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            Boom say this to young Brookes. You are in process of beng investigated, then there is chance you be arrested and thrown in jail for uttering threats, threatening to kill humans. You may think it all big joke but it no. This is happening, Boom suggest you stop now, but it up to you, it your sad life.

            Boom out!!

          • Dave Brookes

            BOOM IM NOT GOING TO THREATEN YOU , IM GOING TO PROMISE YOU
            IF YOU KEEP ON BADMOUTHING ME AND OTHERS ON HERE, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES , YOUR INFLAMMATORY REMARKS WILL BE DEALT WITH IN A TIMELY MANNER, YOUR ALSO UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE GOOD FOLKS WORKING ON THE INTERNET AND BY THE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS. BOOM, WHOEVER YOU REALLY ARE , HAVE A FUCKING ROTTEN NEW YEAR.

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            1. You already threaten Boom multiple times.
            2. Boom no need investigate. Boom do nothing wrong.
            3. Boom is Boom, nobody else.
            4. Local law enforcement, that make Boom laugh.
            5. You in serious trouble child.

          • Lust

            You feel like you are quite the man, don’t you Dave Brookes. You are not as anonymous as you think. Time for you to get as small as you really are soon.

          • Corndog

            You need help man. You’re a total nut job.

          • God

            Dave Brookes….youtube the angry samoans song “Homosexual” its about you

          • Lust

            DAVE IS A FAN OF NICKELBACK!

          • Corndog

            Yeah because lots of people browse the internet after their ‘brains are blown out’……you really don’t think this shit through do you? God you’re special. Special like the progeny of Keanu Reeves and a store front mannequin kinda special.
            Do us all a favour and don’t let the door hit you on the way out…

        • burgervan

          I would be so happy if it was revealed that Boom and Dave Brookes are characters written by the same guy.

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            The burgers. That be big negative, Boom is just Boom, the Brookes has his many other alias, they be the gears, Grungecaster, Mayan calender, grunge gay boy box or something similar, he probably have many other. But you see the Burgervan Boom is just boom, the real, this be Boom in the life and on interwebpage music reports. Little background on Boom, Boom is the 59 year old, former junkie from ’70’s and ’80’s, had few of the relapse, Boom recovering alcoholic, Boom had the wicked surgeries prior to the Cashmas season. One done Boom go to the Mexico in the ’85 just for weekend but ended up staying for 3 and half year all fuckered up on peyote and Mexican show scrapings smack.

            Boom no sink to low level like the childish Brookes.

            Boom out!!

            Now go rock the fuck out to the MotΓΆrhead and eat the burgers.

          • Corndog

            Only 59? Plenty of gas left in the tank man:) happy new year!

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            Plenty of the gas in tank, Boom have major surface rust and flat tire though.

            Boom out!!

            The Corndog, go rock the fuck out to Doors record the LA woman.

          • Corndog

            I’m not quite as old as you but i know what you’re saying. I’m starting to feel like i’m falling apart myself. I’ll be hitting 40 in just a few years, and it is freaking me out!

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            The Corndog, Boom believe the new comment person the Lust is the former Disraeli Gears. The Gears do the disappear then the Lust do the show up and do nothing it reply to Boom for first week, then follow Boom then say Boom inspire the Lust. Boom smart old man and the comments similar to the Gears, also when Gears and Lust comment the Brookes no comment.

            Boom out!!

          • Corndog

            Hmm, i’ll keep that in mind. ‘Lust’ seems friendly enough so far though so maybe it is just a coincidence? Lust is also following me but i don’t recall ever speaking to him directly.
            What happened to all of Gears posts? did he cancel his account or something? Noticed that they all changed to ‘guest’.
            Any news from Disqus about that Brookes moron? I see that he has been at it again. Guy is a total idiot. It’s clear from some of the nonsense that he writes.

          • http://Boom.com Boom

            Maybe Boom just paranoid old fucker and do the thinkin to much of time. The Gears do the disappear after Boom did the proving he and Brookes were same person, that Brookes child is fucked in own head, has the anger problem and Boom no like. This new one the Lust do seem the friendly and that why Boom think he Gears/Brookes, the old Gears way no work so this is new way of being on comments. Be super nice to boom and try to be friendly with boom, the Gears be mean, then the rude, then say he was Boom, then say he love Boom then hate Boom, did all the different approach, then he disappear, then the Lust show up and follow Boom and only reply to Boom and be booms new best friend, he do the attacks on Brookes and it Just feel to boom that this all same person, Lust/Gears/Brookes, all fucked in head.

            Still Boom say maybe just paranoid old man but smart man and writing patterns are same, Boom smart that way.

            Shit about music though not stupid ass children

            Boom out!!

            The Corndog you good human. Go rock the fuck out to music of your choice. Also boom say fuck

          • Corndog

            Nothing wrong with some healthy paranoia. Keeps you on your toes. For the moment though, i’m willing to give Lust the benefit of the doubt in case he isn’t actually Gears. As said though i don’t think i have had any direct interactions with him at all so thought that it was a bit odd that he started following me on Disqus. Now that i think about it, Gears did the exact same thing…..Hmmm. Now you’re making me paranoid too:)
            Hopefully that Brookes guy gets what he deserves from Disqus. I’m getting sick of his nonsensical bullshit ramblings on the site. Dude has serious self esteem issues! I have to admit though, it was funny when he said the ‘local authorities’ were investigating you. Investigating for what exactly? Not as if you have done anything, and anyway, he has no idea where you live so couldn’t possible say where your local authorities were! He really is a complete and utter knob!

          • Lust

            Thank you for keeping a clear head dude, see my other post where i “try” to defend myself.

          • Lust

            Yes Corndog, I am a 100% new member, Im not even from the USA.

            I was reading this site a couple of weeks and enjoyed Booms, yours and God’s posts. Started to post here because i got irritated of the Grohl over-exposure. Then i saw Boom being attacked by this racist fucker Dave Brookes, i even officially reported him for his racist remarks to Disqus. Started to learn how the disqus platform worked, options/following etc. i started to defend Boom from this Brookes dude and others and started following you, God and Boom because you all thought and said the same things i would have, it’s a social thing called “identifying with others”, Boom doesnt get that.

            But now i see after Boom started insulting me as well, Boom is insulting so many people (including me, new person to this forum) he’s dwelling in his own paranoia. I don’t like him at all anymore thats why i started insulting him back. He starts calling me fake, i call him fake. He insults me, I insult him back. And then he starts crying, cause he cant handle the same kind of treatment he gives to others.

            Now as for this claims I am all those people he mentions: If i was the same person i would be awake 24/7. Im from Europe, my timezone is different. And that’s the only proof i have; look at the times i post.

            IP adresses can be manipulated so i cant prove that, then again you think a person would be awake 24/7 and doing all this ip stuff just to be able to act like an asshole?

            Let it be a lesson, paranoia happens when you treat others like shit, it comes back to haunt you, it’s your conscious and it makes you treat innocent people like shit as well.

            It’s just a matter of time before another new person shows up and he insults them and claims the same old bullshit. I hate Brooks it’s an insult to even compare me with him (the rest i think i dont even read any posts of before) but that’s the way the old role playing Boom Boom likes it. Boom does not understand human social behavioral patterns, sometimes humans act a bit the same… like when a person is happy you’ll see a smile. When a person likes another he is friendly towards that person. Now Boom you think you are smart and got it all figured out but imagine this… what if you would know the truth that i was truly not another person, would you be the wise mature dude that you claim to be and apologize? I think not as you ain’t got any of the personality a person of your age would have, things you learn when you get older, something i would know about while i ain’t even 59 yet, I think im older in reality then you are, fake ass poser.

            No Boom, you claim me to be fake, but look at your writing, you are playing a persona from TV, like the Fonze or Nick from Family Ties or whatever 80’s/90’s surfer/grunge/punk flick you’ve watched. First I enjoyed your persona, but after you show me what is behind that mask i only now see a very lonely, paranoid kid with a lot of imagination but lacking every piece of wisdom… only good thing you got going is your taste in music but thats all thats left. Now fuck off and cry some more.

          • Corndog

            First off, Boom has got a lot of shit on this site from folks like Brookes and Gears, so he is well within his rights to be paranoid. Willing to admit it was entirely coincidence, but the way you arrived on the site very much echoed what Gears did, so i can see where he is coming from. That being said, your comments thus far seem to be far more reasonable than Gears even came across, so i don’t personally think that you are Gears and i’m more than happy to speak with you unless you give me reason otherwise. Boom is a nice fella, if you’re nice to him he’ll be nice back. If you maintain that you are not Gears, i can accept that; just give Boom a chance to accept it too, and he will eventually. I completely disagree that Boom is really a kid. I have never got that impression at all. Boom is one of the main reasons i come to this site. I love reading his comments.
            I’m not sure that i have seen him say anything bad about you beyond thinking that you were Gears, but if he has said something that has bothered you, reply to him, be reasonable, and i’m sure he will be reasonable too.

          • Lust

            Thank you again for looking at me from an objective perspective.

            In my defence:

            I WAS reasonable, he wasn’t, if someone attacks me i attack back and i don’t care if he has problems with others that just got nothing to do with me, right?

            “if you’re nice to him he’ll be nice back” Well that didnt happen did it? I got the right to defend myself as much as he has the right to be paranoid, but he is paranoid of his own doing and that got nothing to do with me as well. It’s his problem and he should not reflect his problems on me.

            Boom seemed to enjoy acting like the Alpha and treating me as if i had to proof myself to the bully within a gang on the playground, fuck that primitive childlike behaviour man, he’ll just play that game with the next new dude not with me.

            Im less forgiving though i can hold a grudge very well and i can act like a supreme asshole as well. I made my point across and i defended myself, i just move along and focus on other people/comments. If he comes crying again and insulting me i return the favor just like i did till now. Simple as that.

          • Corndog

            Well ultimately whatever is between you two, is nothing to do with me. I would suggest though, speak to him again, reiterate that you are NOT Gears. See, Gears was an absolutely wanker to Boom, so Boom, when replying to you and thinking that you are him naturally has him back up. Like i said, i don’t personally think you are him myself as he was an obnoxious little arsehole and i don’t sense that from you so far at all. Keep being pleasant and reasonable, and i’m sure Boom will come around eventually. He is not unreasonably himself. Like i said, he’s a nice fella.
            I think you and Boom just need to start again. I’m sure we can all get along.
            Meant to say in that last post, not overly relevant but as you brought it up, i am also not based in America. I’m in Ireland:)

          • Lust

            You are friendly enough to stick up for strangers, thanks. Im not sticking anymore energy in it, he sort out whatever his problems are.

            Cool! πŸ™‚ Im from the dump they call Amsterdam lol

          • Corndog

            I’m a great believer in treating folks the same way they treat me. You’ll find I’m pretty easy to get along with.
            Amsterdam huh? Visited there years ago when I was 18. Some good shit in Amsterdam, and by good shit I mean clogs and tulips, clearly!

          • Lust

            Amen to that!
            Yeah and dont forget the cheese ofcourse, great shit ;p

          • Corndog

            Oh yes, can’t forget the cheese:) If only my country was as forward thinking as yours. I’m very partial to some clogs. And tulips. And cheese…;)

          • Lust

            LMAO! On a serious note though the dutch where considered to be quite progressive in freedoms and culture in the 90’s. That quickly changed when the right winged conservatives came to power and the whole shit around 9/11 began and the EU came to rise taking away our money, i guess it changed in many more country’s because of this, people getting scared of other cultures, feeling threatened and broke… the primitives start blaming “foreigners” instead of the governments. I think we’re back in the 50’s by now. Fake ass people, fake ass culture. Shiny white teeth families, scripted reality (oh i love that new word)… fuck i gotta barf… ranting mode off. It ain’t my world man, gimme back my 90’s, life was a party then lol, yes we must be getting old. I feel fine listening to old music watching Beavis and Butthead and the Bundy’s, creating a time capsule. Heck i even dig Jerry Springer compared to the shit they got going now.

          • Corndog

            Yeah i miss the early 90’s too. I think that was when i was at my happiest. Most of the music i listen to and TV shows that i love come from that time period. When my mind wanders, and i think of the past, it is usually that time period. Great time to be a teenager! My two favourite pass times, music and Star Trek, ruled the world back then! It was bordering on acceptable to be a geek. Of course, i’m much older now and don’t care what folks think any more. Nothing wrong with a grown man who collects spaceships and Iron Man figures:)

          • Lust

            LOL yeah fuck em all. It was great to be a teenager in the 90’s but as a child in the 80’s it was just as good. The whole toy merchandise industry explosion think Star Wars, He-man, transformers etc. etc.. The awesome 80’s movies like indiana jones, star wars, back to the future, the goonies, The A-team, all the ninja’s, kids television shows in the weekends, the list goes on and on. Not to mention the arcades, the consoles… dude it was heaven to be a kid in the 80’s. We where lucky! Although it could just be a part of getting older that we see it like this in retrospect, something in the brain changes in awareness over time.

          • Corndog

            Yes i agree totally. Great time to be a kid. Loved He-Man and Transformers, although the cartoons don’t age well unfortunately. Transformers is something else that i collect actually although haven’t got one in a few years now. I think i have about 200 of the damn things at this point! I just like to buy all that kinda stuff and stick them on a shelf. It’s open, pose, and never touch again! Some of the more recent Transformers were a nightmare to transform into robots to get them on the shelf in the first place. So damn complicated. Like plastic origami. I have to watch youtube reviews to figure out what to do with them.
            I’ve been thinking of getting rid of them though, as i seem to have stopped collecting them. As it has been a few years though i feel kind of ‘out of the loop’ so i don’t know where i would begin. Can’t remember what many of them are called, what specific type or sub type they are and what accessory goes with which robot so it would be very difficult to list them on Ebay. Really don’t know where to start with that at all. Shame as i could really use the cabbage!
            I’m not getting rid of my ships though. love me some spaceships, especially Trek ships:)

          • Corndog

            God i’m such a geek, but you know what, fuck it. Whatever makes you happy right?
            Funny thing is, now my kid’s two favourite things are Star Trek and Rock music! I’ve created a monster:)

          • Lust

            Join the club we’re all geeks when it comes to passions.
            LOL YYYEESS!!! i would do that if i had a child, im trying the same with my nephew though lol although it’s Star Wars πŸ˜‰ Not very succesful, he’s too affraid of monsters, as an 80’s kid we where used too more horror and monsters, take the Thriller video as an example, still give me chills to see Michaels huge eyes, kids these days man they cant even handle things like that… *he spoke as an old veteran*

          • Corndog

            I have been introducing my son (9 years old) to the wonders of 80’s movies recently. Back To The Future, Terminator, Predator, that kinda thing. It was mostly scifi but then we got to talking about horror, so tried some of them. doesn’t work. Kids are too damn sophisticated these days. I told him about the first Nightmare on Elm Street movie and how it scared the shit out of me when i was a child. So we put it on, turn the lights off and away we go. He sat silently through the whole thing, and when it ended he laughed at me. He bloody laughed at me thinking this was a scary movie! He said ‘i thought you said that was supposed to be scary??’. Tried Evil Dead, he thought it was funny. Tried Childs Play, he thought that was even funnier. I just can’t seem to scare him. I don’t mean that in a mean way, he actually wants to be scared by a movie. i just can’t seem to find one that will do the trick.

          • Lust

            Fuckin hell!?! Must be cause he’s Irish lmfao! Irish are hard as hell! If all else fails (though you might get a disturbed child) try The Exorcist (the 2001 version, saw it at the premiere, gave me chills down my spine when she came down the stairs, never experienced the feeling in my life again). You have created a monster lol if the exorcist is really too much try The Conjuring 2013, the scene with the demon on top of the dresser should make shit his pants. If not i’m affraid nothing will work.

          • Corndog

            I did consider the original Exorcist but to be honest i never really thought that was particularly scary myself to begin with. I didn’t realise they remade it in 2001. I try to keep him away from anything that is overtly religious though. Life is hard enough without having to deal with that nonsense. Apologies if you’re religious, but i just find the whole concept of god and life after death to be a crock of shit:)
            The conjuring rings a bell. What was that about then? I think i may have seen that.
            I dunno man. He just seems to be impervious to them. The only movie that even came close to scaring him, and i thought this was damned odd as it is not even a horror movie, was Event Horizon. He really liked that one. Personally, i’m very partial to a good zombie flick. Love the Walking Dead show, although the comic it’s based on is much, much better!

          • Lust

            Omg hell yeah your son is my kind of dude, event horizon is one of my favorite movies ever, while others dont understand my love for it. The Exorcist 2001 just has some added scenes, one scene has something to do with a “spiderwalk” lol maybe he’ll get scared, its one of the most serious horrors ever, no laughing matter in any scene. Religion…an invention to control the sheep just like money and governments. The only religion i respect is budism, although its not really considered a religion, non violence is the key.

            Check out the conjuring trailer on youtube or imdb, i loved it. Yeah the walking dead rules, every zombie has been greatly done, thats something even in movies they didnt always manage to do. My favorite zombie movie is Return Of The Living Dead 1985 huge fan of it.

          • Corndog

            I think religion is something people created a long time ago to help them make sense of a world that was beyond their understanding, but it completely baffles me that adults in this day and age still believe such utter nonsense. I’m fine collecting toys but I think I’m much too old to have an imaginary friend!
            My favourite zombie movie is probably the colour remake of Night Of The Living Dead. Also love Dawn and Day Of The Dead. Proper slow moving zombies. None of these sprinting athletic types you tend to get in modern zombie flicks.

          • Lust

            Lmao! Yeah imaginary friend lol and they think its weird if an adult would still believe in santa claus. Yep the remake of notld (1990 if i remember correctly) is one of my favs as well, the others are classics. I like return otld so much as it has this campy 80s punk thing going and the story made a lot of sense and the art of the zombies has been an instant standard for other films afterwards ( the art designer is quite famous) you can also clearly see the video for Thriller was inspired by the style of this movie. I do like it if a zombie runs sometimes, gives me the same adrenaline when someone is running after me lol Zombie flicks need a bit of new stuff to keep it interesting. Now since im also a fan of Tim Burton films i think he could make a very interesting take on the genre, since he already made some ode’s to different genres.

          • Lust

            LMAO @ “Like plastic origami”
            My brother used to collect Transformers, i especially like the ones where you put around 5 together to form a mega dude. He had the one with construction worker things and one which formed a huge T-rex if i remember correctly.
            You could just put all the transformer stuff on one pile and sell it like it is to a collector but that would mean price reduction im affraid.

            Space ships is about the coolest thing ever if its Trek or Wars it dont even matter, the only thing cooler is music lol. Do not ever get rid of them. I was stupid enough to give away my whole toy collection when i was 14 to the neighbors kid. It was A LOT of Star Wars and He-man, even got castle Greyskull and the AT-AT. Would have been worth quite some euros by now.

          • Corndog

            Those are called ‘combiners’. The construction ones you mentioned were the ‘Constructicons’. I think the others you mentioned may be the Predacons.
            No i couldn’t see them as a lot. I’d lose a fortune. Some of them are pretty expensive just on their own. Have a few Japanese ones that cost a lot. Big 12 inch Megatron (from the ‘masterpiece’ series cost me Β£80 when i bought him and the value has gone up considerable since then. I would really like to sell them though. What i need is a Transformers nut to come and help get them together, appraise them for want of a better word. I just don’t know anyone else that is into them. If i could find someone willing to do that i would give them a percentage.
            Spaceships man, don’t get me started. I’ll be here all day! I absolutely love spaceships. Always been fascinated by space and what could be out there, so i have always by extension loved spaceships. None are as aesthetically pleasing as the ones from Star Trek. They are almost sculptural in their beauty. Just really pleasing looking objects from a purely artistic point of view. Refit constitution Class from the original Trek movies is still my favourite. She looks great from every angle! It actually upsets me to see the horrible piece of shit they are passing off as the Enterprise in the two most recent ‘soft reboot’ Trek movies. Terrible looking thing. I call it the Uglyprise. All squashed and stunted. Really pisses me off, probably a lot more than it should:)

          • Lust

            Swweeet i just googeled the constructicons, brings back memories, i broke a few transformers from my brother, it was too fragile for my hands lol the he-man toys where more safe. Your collection sounds aweesome man! Maybe find a transformer fan forum, i bet if you search hard enough you might find someone in your neighborhood, or you could post photos of all the parts and they help you identify without you having to give away a percentage, takes a bit of work but it could be worth it in the end.

          • Corndog

            I think i may be the only geek in the whole of Ireland:) I’ve taken a lot of shit from people my whole life for liking all this kind of stuff. I don’t know a single other person that likes Star Trek or robots or anything else like that.
            I want to meet me some of those hot cosplay chicks you see on the internet, but i’ve never seen one in real life:)
            My collection consists of 200 or so transformers, 50+ Iron Man figures and 60+ Star Trek Ships! Really have no more room at all now.

          • Lust

            Ive been beaten up many times in the 90s by the primitives because i looked like a hippie/rocker, it stopped when i became harder and employed a metal state of mind. It was pure discrimination. I cant imagine your the only one. Dont you have these gatherings or expos in Ireland?

            Ive followed the old retro star trek episodes as a child but then came star wars, i never was the same after that. Lately im downloading stuff i watched as a child like Buck Rogers (1979-81) , Battle Star Galactica 1978 and V (with the reptile dudes), still watching Buck Rodgers, its too fucking funny, as a kid i basicly watched it because i loved the robot but now i see it from a whole different perspective Buck is funny and cool as hell, he disco dances, karate kicks and has these amazing one liners with beautiful women. Ps i see i make some english mistakes, it aint my native language.

          • Corndog

            Yeah I know how that goes unfortunately. When I was younger I had really long hair and dressed a certain way and hardly a day went by without some moron calling me a hippy bastard. Never been able to understand the mentality of people like that.
            Buck Rogers! I loved that as a kid. Very surprised they haven’t remade it yet. Loved Battlestar Galactica too, although the new one is much better. My kid is very partial to a video on YouTube where the little round robot around Twiki’s neck sings ‘how would you like to suck my balls?’. It is kind of amusing:)
            Nothing wrong with your English man. Its grand.

          • Lust

            Yeah they called us hippies as well ment as an insult, though i found the word itself a compliment. Lol i have to check that video out.
            Btw theres quite some results when i google this: transformer fans ireland
            Worth checking out, take your time in exploring those sites. I try to talk english as good as possible but some words are always a trap. Like the word “afraid” or “allthough” never know if its 2 f’s or 2 L’s or just one. Gotta google it i guess.

          • Corndog
          • Lust

            Lol funny shit! I accidently flagged your comment, im on this fuckin tablet its acting up sometimes, i wanted to push the youtube button but the flag above it i pushed, dunno if i can unflag it again, ill try lol

          • Corndog

            I can expect an email from the boys at Disqus then huh? I’m pointing them in your direction!! πŸ™‚
            I don’t think that it is your tablet. I’ve been having all kinds of issues with Disqus. On computer, it is not showing that i have new notifications, and on my phone, i’m getting a really slow response when i try to do anything, like type a reply, click post as….or upvote a comment. It’s getting to the point where it is almost impossible to use on my phone.

          • Lust

            LOL yeah ill take the blame πŸ˜‰
            True there is some lag in loading the comments, especially with the threads with many posts. But the flag was truly my fault it was just a milimeter apart from each other i didnt zoom in to properly push the button.

          • Corndog

            Aye, that’s what they all say….

            I’m watching you fella………:)

          • Lust

            Shit your on to me brother…

    • http://Boom.com Boom

      Boom see other day the people in the states getting arrested and the prosecuted for the threatening comments. Maybe the Brookes this haloes to you when the disqus people finish investigation of your comments towards Boom. Maybe this make a nice little New Years in the slammer for Brookes, Boom suggest you stop threatening and telling Boom to die and saying you shoot Boom with gun.

      Happy new year little cunt Brookes Gears.

      Boom out!!

      • Philippe Gaudet

        Oh please shut up already. Boom out please.

        • http://Boom.com Boom

          Boom no shut up.

          Boom out!!

          Happy new year French Phil

          • Lust

            FUCK YOU DAVE AND FUCK YOU PHILIPPE, you have no fucking idea what rock is and what Boom talks about. Boom happy new year bro!

        • http://Boom.com Boom

          The happy new year to the France.

          Boom out!!

  • mr.murphy1978

    All the above bands are relevant, they all have a place in music. No matter if a song is 20 years old or brand new, a good song is always a good song regardless of current popularity, music trend, or year of release. Besides, if these bands where irrelevant, why would we even use this website? I personally hope that they are all around for many years yet. New music styles or plain old nostalgia… long may it last!!!

    • Rizz

      agree.

    • Alternative Nation

      The music these guys made 20 years ago is relevant, the reason people come here is because they love what these guys were 20 years ago. The question here is are the bands as they stand today relevant.

      • name

        How are you defining relevant

        • Alternative Nation

          Are they creating new music and performing live shows that are great and adding to their legacy, or resting on their laurels from 20 years ago?

          • Jeremy B

            With that definition in mind, then all of them are relevant. Seeing as they are touring, and putting out new music. Great is subjective.

          • Alternative Nation

            I’m questioning if their tours and new music is relevant and vibrant/inspired, and not just mediocre/kind of phoning it in.

            I could give a shit if Alice In Chains made a country sounding record. I just like good songs. I could care less about a record sounding like Dirt, I want songs that are as good as the songs on Dirt. That goes for any band period, good inspired songs is all that matters, not repeating a past formula or sound.

          • coffee dan

            Only Alice in Chains can sound like AIC and make an AIC record and thats why it’s interesting. Who would want Dirt Part 2 and Dirt Part 3? Music is a better art form because Sean and Jerry and Mike and William are creating.

      • coffee dan

        The reason I come here, along with 1 or 2 others, is for what they are doing today. You got it wrong again. What is relevant? What does that mean? Alice in Chains and PJ and Soundgarden are ARTISTS, there is no place for words like ‘relevant’ in art. Remember, they’re artists? Artists go through different periods and places of exploration. You sound like a record company bean counter. as a fan I have no concern for what the mainstream world feels for good art like The Devil Put Dinosaurs here or Black Gives Way to Blue.

      • http://bangbros.com Bill Austeh

        I come here for the humor, fickle the grunge label. They are making big ! $$$ and still put out music that is relevant. It’s all about what ya dig.

  • Kytana Martell

    Alice In Chains is the best band ever. Enough said……

    • Corndog

      Alice In Chains used to have one of the best singers ever, but they are not now, nor have they ever been the best band ever. Everyone and their grandmother knows that’s Pearl Jam:)

      • Kytana Martell

        that is your opinion dude……

        • Corndog

          Indeed it is. Only one i have to give:)

  • Raj

    I would re-title the article are these bands still relevant? Some are and some aren’t. PJ will be like the Rolling Stones still playing shows into their 70’s, but I hope unlike the Stones they don’t keep reissuing greatest hits with one or two songs. Nirvana’s music is timeless, Cobain is just as relevant today as he was 20 years ago, but he lost the passion a long time ago just as he wrote in his suicide note. SG and AIC could make much better albums, they need to take risks again and be way more creative. STP is dead in the water, even if they release a new album with Chester it will be watered down material. SW is the only guy for STP and VR for that matter. Weezer had a bit of a comeback, that’s probably their album since the Blue and Pinkerton albums. Some of the new Bush songs have got their edge back but Gavin’s voice has changed. As for the Pumpkins, some of the new songs were pretty good, a mix of old and new tunes but nowhere close to the old stuff. The Foos albums could be better too. It’s a double edge sword, the fans want to hear the old classics, the bands want to play new stuff that doesn’t always get a response. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Feels like a no-win situation for them.

  • josephine blackheart

    Time magazine needs to vote for the word “relevant” and “irrelevant” to be banned in 2015 because too many stupid fuckers have overused the word to death. It’s reeeeallly annoying to see and hear a bunch of dudes who do nothing for music, who don’t create anything worth a damn themselves to critique people who have actually done things for music, and overuse the relevant word to make themselves sound astute or something. It’s makes you sound like an entitled asshole.

    That being said…..The only bands on of this list that actually pushed forward this year is Smashing Pumpkins and Nine Inch Nails, the rest have been pretty damn safe…which is blah in my opinion.

  • coffee dan

    Brett and Mike are not grunge fans. You trash Soundgarden and Alice in Chains at every turn. I’ve seen it for years. I’ve been a soundgarden fan for 25 years and Alice in Chains fan since Clash of the Titans and I WAS THERE when it happened. I SAW IT ALL. Maybe that’s why you guys are such big poseurs. You’re all Johnny come latelys.

    There is no music scene and there’s no such thing as relevant. There’s a niche and they’re doing it on their terms. When Layne died, Alice hiberated for 5 years. They could not tour behind 2 #1 albums because Layne was sick. It’s not like they hurried a replacement and milked everything for all its worth. The newest record is a beautiful piece of music I feel sorry for you that you can’t hear it. They’ve earned the right to do whatever the fuck they want. If you don’t like it, go pound sand. Maybe you should go listen to other music and leave Seattle alone you big poseurs.

    • Alternative Nation

      Coffee Dan, if you have been going on the site for years, you are an Alternative Nation fan. Thank you for the support and being a fan of the work Mike and I do.

  • Ben Dawson-Punshon

    Just watch that gif image of Billy shaking his head from the Today video and listening to early Incubus – it is fitting perfectly!

  • davuvnik

    when did Nine Inch Nails turned grounge? getting rid of that misconception might be part of the reasons why they’re still relevant to the music scene….

  • Guest

    but I’d like you to answer question for me if you’re only 22 years old how did you go to all of Soundgarden’s old concerts you referencing this article that they’re playing with less passion and they didn’t y’all days but you weren’t there in the old days so how would you know it’s physically impossible

  • coffee dan

    Bret I would like you to answer our question if you are not old enough to have been to all of Soundgarden’s concerts in the old days how can you say that they’re playing with less passion than they used to since you weren’t even there you wouldn’t even know so answer the question for me please how can you make a comparison between the present day and 20 years ago if you’re only 22 years old

    • Alternative Nation

      I’ve seen a lot of old video footage, and I’ve seen some great live shows by other bands. I’m not comparing it to the old footage though, I’m comparing it to what my expectations as a concert goer are when I go to any show, which is to see a passionate great performance. The show felt lackluster to me, but the show I saw in July 2011 was great.

  • Lust

    The question i ask myself each day is: Is Alternative Nation relevant? Is Dave Grohl’s face on the front page each and every day relevant? For me it becomes more and more relevant to defend the Rock scene and it’s veterans. Which is needed for the young whom never where there in one or more of the last 40 years of the past century. Hopefully we can teach them, but i think it’s too late. It was the feeling they will never understand, all they can do is see and hear back a small part on video.

    • Alternative Nation

      I post what gets hits, and until I’m able to do a few things that expands the cash flow coming into the site (Google news and more ad networks) I can’t pay reporters, so largely as the sole news reporter I have to report what is guaranteed to get hits with this site’s base. Once I can make enough money to reinvest I can bring in reporters with knowledge of other areas of rock to build audiences for those other areas of rock music on here that’ll draw traffic. Right now though, the Dave Grohl articles are guaranteed page views and I have to do them to keep the site’s head above water. Eddie Vedder, Dave Grohl, and Billy Corgan = hits on here.

      • Lust

        I understand man, we all gotta make ends meet. Even if it means a bit of whoring lol. I respect that bro. Im just a music addict desperatly in need for some great riff fixes, so i tend to get a bit frustrated sometimes. Sorry if i offended you in any way. Maybe you can find some members, music freaks or students that are willing to write for you for free, would make the news more versatile and covering the costs. In anyway thanks for the site and the work you do man. πŸ˜‰ I do enjoy it a lot!

  • Mike Zorzan

    Brett (and other Alt Nation writers) I’ve had some whole hearted (that have made me angry) disagreements with you guys (usual involves a white bald man), but I respect your opinions here, enjoyed the read and some great points were raised even for bands I like a lot.

  • Eddie Yarler

    This is my favorite article on this entire website. What you said about Billy Corgan and Scott Weiland was without question the most on point, and realistic thing I’ve ever heard about those two, as long as with the other bands.
    STP is not STP without Scott. No firing, death, attitudes, egos, or addictions will ever change that. Stone Temple Pilots is Scott Weiland, the Deleos, and Erik Kretz. I just needed to say that. Aside from that I’m kind of bummed that all my favorites are essentially inactive.
    -Alice in Chains(and their fans) fought tooth and nail to convince everyone they deserved the right to go on without Layne, yet they don’t release music on a consistent basis, they don’t play their new material, rely on hits they made with Layne live, and let Duvall sing on the old songs and Jerry the new ones when it should really be either reversed, or just Jerry singing for both.
    -STP fired their original singer, for a singer who is arguably even less committed, sounds completely different from the band’s original singer, and specializes in a genre completely opposite of what STP is.
    -Days of the New died brutally when Travis Meeks pissed off the original members and got arrested for possession. As talented as he is he hasn’t put out an album since 01, and makes Weiland look like a sober coach.
    -Creed I guess has the possibility to reunite considering like STP the original lineup still exists, but Stapp had a nervous breakdown which needs much more attention than that fifth, back to roots record that should’ve come out in 2012.
    Fuuucckkk. Good thing I have Korn and Filter or every rock band I ever loved would really have all disappointed me. Even Linkin Park has pissed me off because they now put new music from the Deleos on hold. Seriously the only artists I love, aside from Korn and Filter that seem to be sober, and consistent with new music is Gungor, and Lana Del Rey, both who have absolutely nothing to do with the rock genre, and are relatively brand new.
    Sucks ass being a 19 year old in love with music I can’t discuss with anyone, or even see live.